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Friday, July 26th, 2002 09:22 am
A recent post about a national network reminds me of the many organizations that work to end sexual violence against women by demeaning sex rather than violence. The two things are lumped together in the minds of Americans. It's annoying.

Anyone who has hot-button incest issues in their lives, probably doesn't want to read the rest of this. On the other hand ...



Rape: A overt or covert violent assault that usually includes vaginal or anal penetration. I include getting someone drunk so they pass out. More or less, for my definition, it is sex without the consent of the other person.

Abuse: Physical or emotional violence heaped upon someone who feels powerless to stop it. It usually involves a differential in real or assumed power. A random stranger may commit assault and battery on me, but isn't abuse.

Sexual Abuse: Abuse with a sexual content that falls short of rape. This varies in the law but might include forced oral sex, for instance.

Incest: The taboo that says two people closely related shouldn't be sexual with each other. Some incestuous activity is rape; some is sexual abuse. Some incestuous activity is activity between closely related CONSENTING individuals in which no power dynamic is involved (twins, for instance). No force and no violence.

The damage is done TO people who have engaged in sibling sex by society's attitude about sex. The incestuous sibs are made to feel guilty and dirty. They carry a "shameful secret."

CRAP.

Rape and abuse are violent. When any sexual activity is forced, it is rape or abuse.

Incest is sex between people with a specific relationship. Marriage includes sex between people with a specific relationship. Not much difference there, is there.

Further, if you would like to bring up the red herring of recessive genetics if a pregnancy results from the incestuous activity, I would suggest leaving the urban legends behind and check out the real research. That argument for keeping sex in its place is without merit.

Stop the crusade against consensual sex!

Friday, July 26th, 2002 12:46 pm (UTC)
Hear! hear!

I bring to the evidence floor the fact that there is SO MANY types of incest porn out there. Clearly, as with many taboos, it's a natural thing being mad wrong, and warped by the repression.
(Anonymous)
Saturday, July 27th, 2002 10:31 am (UTC)
Would you say the same about sex with animals, or children? I mean, since pedophilia and animal sex porn seems to have about as much of a representation as incest porn does then they must be okay too, right?

Just because something is being "repressed" doesn't make it right.
Saturday, July 27th, 2002 07:29 pm (UTC)
I *knew* someone was going to play that card.

Abuse is abuse is abuse. We are talking about CONSENSUAL sex. Period.
Friday, July 26th, 2002 12:49 pm (UTC)
"Stop the crusade against consensual sex!"

We should make a button or an icon for that...
Friday, July 26th, 2002 04:13 pm (UTC)
I think you've put it all very succinctly. Mind if I link it on my own page? Thanks for another great post, Lynn!

::hugs::
Friday, July 26th, 2002 04:27 pm (UTC)
Be my guest. I make public posts for a reason. ;)

You're welcome.

::hugs:: back. I like hugs, being a bonobo and all...
(Anonymous)
Saturday, July 27th, 2002 10:28 am (UTC)
What would you say about incest with regards to family members other than siblings?
(Anonymous)
Saturday, July 27th, 2002 10:33 am (UTC)
I'm also curious about exactly what research you are citing with regards to incest-related pregnancies.
Sunday, July 28th, 2002 11:56 am (UTC)
And I'm doing it again (responding to anonymous poster). Sigh.

It's been fiftenn years since I discovered the truth about "inbreeding." It was in a developmental psychology class. The next semester, we covered the effects of inbreeding on small populations in a social psychology class.

Here's the deal. Inbreeding does tend to match up recessive genes. So what. "Recessive gene" doesn't equal "bad gene." Statistically speaking, the rate of medically serious conditions resulting from human inbreeding is the same as the general population. Assuming a reasonably healthy gene pool to begin with, the risk factor is low.
Sunday, July 28th, 2002 11:45 am (UTC)
Baaah. Make a decision for myself and the first thing I do is act contrary to the decision. Here I am responding to an anonymous response. Sigh.

READ FOR CONTENT. Find the place where I limited anything to siblings.
Thursday, August 1st, 2002 07:38 pm (UTC)
I'm really impressed to find someone who sees this the way I do. May I add you to my Friends?
Saturday, August 3rd, 2002 10:40 am (UTC)
Go ahead.